| An Interview with Tom Violante of The Shags
It's Shagadelic, Baby! By Mike Dugo, 60sGarageBands 2
000-11-07
[Q] Where were the Shags formed, and by whom?
[A] Tom Violante and Carl Augusto, both of whom were schoolmates at
Notre Dame H.S. in West Haven CT, decided to try and form a
British-style rock group, ala the Beatles, since doo-wop was taking a
back seat in music. So in the Spring of 1963, Tom and Carl talked about
starting a band - no name yet. At that time, Carl was lead guitar for
The Deltons, and sang a little. Also, Johnny Tangredi was drummer for
The Deltons. One little known fact is that we had considered calling
ourselves "Gemini," since me (June 7), Carl (June 8), Johnny (June 5, I
think) and Billy Hall (June?) were all Geminis and all born in Grace-New
Haven Hospital in New Haven CT, birthplace of Michael (Bolotin) Bolton
(whose brother, Orrin, was a Shags roadie. Michael used to ask Carl to
teach him how to play guitar. Michael's mother, Helen, used to come to
the revived Shags gigs for "old time's sake") and George W. Bush. The
really strange thing is that we were all able to get along without too
much trouble. Usually Geminis can't be with one another for more than
about a minute! During the summer of 1963, Tom joined with Carl, Rich
Ventura (guitar) and Eddie Staffieri to jam in Tom's garage on Cynthia
Drive in West Haven. They never played any paid gigs, just jammed. On
occasion, Bobby Giannotti (now a popular soloist and former member of
Jasper Rath) would also jam with Tom and the guys. In fact, Tom and
Bobby went to Sears and bought their first guitars - the Silvertone/Danelectro
model with the amp in the guitar case - and practiced together at
Bobby's house. Bobby was an accomplished trumpet player and musician.
Tom was just a singer who played a little accordion and piano. Learning
the guitar was hard because Tom has big hands with long fingers and the
beginning of carpal tunnel syndrome. He opted to tune his guitar to an
E-tuning, made up his own bar chords, and played rhythm guitar. However,
Tom learned to sing nearly every song by the Beatles, Kinks, Buddy
Holly, Yardbirds, etc. so he sang most of the songs of this yet-unnamed
jam group. Throughout most of early 1964, Tom and Carl worked on
harmonies, sharing the leads on cover songs by British and American rock
groups. Carl conceived the first name to be used by the emerging band:
The Hollywood High Drop-Outs. Tom, who worked at a clothing store in the
Connecticut Post, made professional-looking signs on the stores
sign-making press for the band, and they used them at the first gig they
played together: the wedding of Tom's mother, Betty, to his stepfather,
Bud Forte, at the Villa Capri in Milford. In that ensemble were: Tom on
rhythm guitar (Silvertone black-and-white), Carl on lead guitar (Fender
Jazzmaster sunburst), Rich Ventura on a homemade natural wood
left-handed guitar, Ed Staffieri on drums (Slingerland, I believe), and
Bobby Giannotti on guitar (Silvertone also). Tom and Bobby each had the
big Silvertone amplifier by now. Rich plugged into one of them and Carl
had a blonde Fender Bandmaster. The date was November 4, 1964.
[Q] Best known as the Shags, the nucleus of the band evolved
throughout many different incarnations. Please detail the various
lineups.
[A] In The Hollywood High Drop-Outs, 1st lineup (first performance
but for no pay): Tom (Violante) Roberts, rhythm guitar and lead vocals;
Carl (Augusto) Donnell, lead guitar and lead vocals; Rich Ventura,
guitar and vocals; Bobby Giannotti, guitar and vocals; Ed Staffieri,
drums. In The Hollywood High Drop-Outs, 2nd lineup (that played out and
got paid): Tom (Violante) Roberts, rhythm guitar and lead vocals; Carl
(Augusto) Donnell, lead guitar and lead vocals; Mike Goodwin, bass
guitar (Fender precision bass, Fender Bassman amp) and vocals; Jeff
Cannata, drums (later went on to found Jasper Rath with Bobby Giannotti).
This line-up played ONLY once, a wedding at Frankie's Villa Pompeii on
Boston Post Road in Milford sometime in mid-1964. After that, Johnny
Tangredi replaced Jeff Cannata on drums. The
Deltons, in which both Carl and Johnny had previously played, were now
defunct. (That band at that time consisted of Carl, Johnny, Andy Smith,
Bobby Sheehan, and Phil Vallie.) In the summer of 1965, the name changed
from The Hollywood High Drop-Outs to The Shags, a name coined by Andy
Smith, one of The Deltons (the band that Carl and Johnny had quit to
form The Hollywood High Drop-Outs with Tom). The name change was ordered
by Sam Goldman, the band's first manager and record producer, because
HHDO wasn't small enough to fit on the record label of their first
release, "Wait and See" b/w "It Hurts Me Bad" on the Nutta label, cut in
NYC in the winter of 1964. His suggestion - The Creeps - met with stiff
opposition from Tom and Carl. Andy saved the day, and he lettered the
name "The Shags" in Old English on the band's 1956 Cadillac hearse. Mike
Goodwin was replaced in 1965 by Billy Hall on bass guitar (a Gibson with
a Magnatone amp). Billy has been with Victor Matson (Bobby Bennett and
the Realms) and Mike traded places with him. So the most
well-known, very first lineup of The Shags was: Tom (Violante) Roberts,
rhythm guitar and lead vocals; Carl (Augusto) Donnell, lead guitar and
lead vocals; Johnny Tangredi, drums (white pearl Slingerland); and Billy
Hall, bass guitar. This quartet recorded "Wait and See," "It Hurts Me
Bad," and "Cause of You" in New York City in 1965. Other lineups, in
order of their appearance, included:
1. Tom, Carl, Johnny and Billy with: John David Perkins, who used the
stage name Aaron Perkins, on harmonica, tambourine and vocals. Aaron
died in 1989 and is buried in the Perkins family plot in the Grove
Street Cemetery in New Haven CT. Thomas "Doc" Cavalier entered the
picture at this time as the band's manager and record producer, along
with Dolores "Dee" Dean, wife of Peter Dean who owned The House of
Zodiac, a famous popular night club on the corner of Forest Road and
Derby Avenue in West Haven where The Shags were regulars. Incidentally,
this line-up was the most famous of all Shags lineups, according to
popular opinion.
2. Tom, Carl, Johnny and Billy with: Myron Frame, harmonica,
tambourine and vocals (who later formed The Farme when he left The
Shags). Aaron left for college in Vermont. Tom acquired a Hammond B3 and
Leslie speaker which was incorporated into the band.
3. Tom, Carl, Johnny and Myron with: Lance Gardner (Biesele) on bass
guitar (a white Fender Precision bass) and vocals. Billy Hall left to
play in another band. This was the second most-famous line-up.
4. Tom, Carl, Johnny and Lance with Harvey Thurrott on lead guitar
and vocals. Harvey had a collection of Fender guitars including a Strat,
a Tele and a lot of others. Harvey later formed Edison Mazda with Johnny
when The Shags joined with some of the Bram Rigg Set to form Pulse. Tom
played no guitar, sang out front as Myron's replacement, and played a
little B3.
5. The last line-up of the "old days" Shags was: Tom, Carl, Johnny
and Harvey with: Dave Wasson on bass guitar (he played a Hofner acoustic
electric like Paul McCartney's) and vocals. Lance left for artistic
reasons.
6. Sometime in 1968, Pulse was formed from remnants of The Shags and
Bram Rigg Set, conceived by Tom and Carl as the best of both bands after
conferring with Doc. This first Pulse band included Tom, Carl and:
Bennett (Beau) Segal on drums; Peter Neri on guitar and vocals; Richie
Bednarcyzk on keyboards and vocals; Lance Gardner on bass guitar; and
Paul Rosano on bass guitar (yep - two basses!). Tom left Pulse in late
1968.
7. In 1982 through 1984, The Shags reformed under Tom's direction (he
owns the trademark on The Shags). This new band included: Tom, rhythm
guitar, keyboard and lead vocals; Billy Hall, bass guitar; Joe Arnone,
lead guitar and vocals; and Joe Zukowski, drums and vocals (and current
Key West Trio drummer). Aaron (John David) Perkins actually returned for
about nine months in his original role as percussionist/harmonica and
vocals.
8. About 1983, Billy, Joe Arnone and Aaron left and Harvey Thurrott
rejoined, bringing with him Charles "Chas" Watson on bass guitar and
vocals. This group suspended operations in late 1984 when Tom decided
things weren't going well with song selection and artistic direction.
Tom continued in music as a soloist, writing and developing songs but
not performing live.
9. In 1991, Tom and Johnny (on drums) reformed The Shags once again.
Johnny brought in Eddie Gerosa, of the old Roadrunners band, who played
rhythm guitar. Eddie brought in Billy Pallman, former lead guitarist of
The Chosen Few and a player in the Roadrunners, now playing bass guitar.
Billy brought in Fred Callaghan on lead guitar. (This band played until
late 1994, when Fred left and Jeff Brown joined on lead guitar and
vocals.) This line-up opened for Dion and Gene Pitney at Oakdale Theatre
in September 1994.
10. In late 1994, the band dropped Fred Callaghan and auditioned for
a new lead guitarist, which turned out to be Jeff Brown. He lasted six
months.
11. In early 1995, the band retreaded Harvey Thurrott on lead guitar.

12. In late 1995, Harvey and Johnny both left and we began to
sequence guitar leads with the remaining players, adding Joe Zukowski
back on drums. Ed, Billy and Tom played on the side as Key West Trio.
s13. Bill Pallman left in 1996, replaced by Ray Zukowski, Joe's
brother. That lasted to 1997, when we replaced Ray with a bass sequence
and increased sequencing of other instruments. Now Key West Trio
performs live with drums, guitar and keyboard accompanied by a series of
sequenced instruments and bass guitar.
[Q] So contrary to popular belief, the Shags group never performed as
the Deltons?
[A] Actually, the "name game" goes like this: The Deltons were first,
from about 1958 through 1964; from The Deltons, Johnny and Carl joined
Tom in The Hollywood High Drop Outs, leaving The Deltons to continue as
themselves with replacements (they eventually stopped playing in about
1966) and Phil Vallie created The Frontiers with most of the old Deltons;
The Hollywood High Drop Outs changed their name to The Shags (coined by
Andy Smith, of The Deltons) because Shags manager, Sam Goldman, needed a
short punchy name and Andy said "Well, you guys are shaggy boys so why
don't you call yourself The Shags?" Little did anyone know about the
English meaning of the word "shag" back then. They were a hit with
everyone. The Shags played as such in 1994 at Oakdale Theater in
Wallingford, CT when they opened for Music Hall of Famer Dion DiMucci,
and Connecticut native Gene Pitney. In the summer of 1995, Tom created
Key West Trio for him, Eddie and Billy to play small venues without a
drummer, because clubs were getting tight on their budgets and stage
space. Key West Trio remains a very popular Buffett/Beach Boys cover
band on the East Coast, with more than 75 gigs a year. It now includes
Tom, Eddie, and Joe Zukowski.
[Q] The Shags covered the Beatles' "I Call Your Name." Were the
Beatles your biggest influence? If not, what band was?

[A] The Beatles certainly influenced Tom and Carl's musical
selection, but we also were impressed with the Wilson brothers and their
harmonies in the Beach Boys. Toss in the other British rockers - the
Stones, Kinks, Dave Clark Five, etc. - and add Buddy Holly, Everlys and
Paul Revere and the Raiders. Incidentally, The Shags' cover of "I Call
Your Name" on Laurie Records was No. 72 in the Hot 100 up and coming
list of Billboard magazine. It was the highest a Shags' song ever got
nationally. Nowadays--in Key West Trio--Jimmy Buffett and his lyrics, as
well as plenty of Beach Boys tunes, rule for Tom.
[Q] What type of venues did the band typically perform in?
[A] Most of the original Shags' venues were teen nightclubs and adult
nightclubs, with a nice selection of college gigs, outdoor concerts,
block parties and show openers for the bigger stars of the day. The
Shags played at Oakdale Theater, opening at different shows for The
Byrds, Paul Revere and the Raiders, and Chad and Jeremy. They also
opened for The Rascals and Peter and Gordon at The New Haven Arena, for
The Animals at Mount Holyoke, the Beau Brummels at the Big E in East
Springfield MA, the Lovin' Spoonful, Simon & Garfunkel, and Jimmy Ryan &
The Critters at The Bushnell, the Righteous Brothers at Kennedy Stadium
in Bridgeport CT, The Coasters and B.B. King at the Stamford Motor Lodge
nightclub, and several others.
[Q] What was the Shag's best gig?
[A] When we had our own show at the Oakdale Theater in 1968 and
nearly sold out with 3,400 of 3,600 seats filled.
[Q] The Shags appeared in "The Show With The Very Long Title." How
did this come about?
[A] Steve Geller, who wrote and produced the film, and was a producer
at WNHC-TV (now WTNH-TV), needed a "Monkees-type" band to interact with
three or four young women he called the "Gritties." He'd seen The Shags
play, and contacted Doc to hire us for the pilot of his proposed weekly
TV show.
[Q] Was "The Show" ever aired on television? If no, what medium was
it filmed for?
[A] The pilot was never aired to my knowledge. It was meant to be a
weekly TV show shot on film, not video tape.
[Q] Appearing with the Shags were the Bram Rigg Set. How did their
association with "The Show" come about?
[A] The Shags took The Bram Rigg Set (originally, George's Boys, then
"The Bramm Rigg Sett") under their creative wing. Bennett "Beau" Segal,
Rich Bednarczyk and Tom were buddies, and all got along well. The two
groups' repertoires were totally different, except for a few Stones
covers, so there wasn't any rivalry. Also, The Shags were 2-4 years
older than the BRS guys. When it came time for a "follow" group, BRS
were the natural choice.
[Q] Aside from "The Show," does any other film footage of the Shags
exist?
[A] To my knowledge, there is no other footage of the original Shags
('60's era), except if someone has home movies and they didn't tell us.
There is footage of the '90's Shags on home video as well as at CTV in
New Haven CT.
[Q] Did the band make any TV appearances?
[A] In the '60's era, we appeared on a TV show in Vermont and
lip-synched "By My Side." In the '90's, we appeared on a Paul Johnston
New Year's Eve show on CTV in New Haven. The tape exists somewhere in
CTV's vault. There are several reels of KWT playing.
[Q] After the Shags, you joined with a few members of the Bram Rigg
Set and formed Pulse. What year was this, and how long did that band
stay together?
[A] Pulse was formed in 1968, after The Shags and Bram Rigg Set
dissolved--due mostly to changing tastes in music, and a desire to put
together a "power" band. We recorded about 12 songs that varied between
R&B, rock, and Cream-like atonal drivel. Pulse lasted until about 1971
and dissolved for many reasons, the least of which was staleness.
[Q] Cream-like atonal drivel?!?
[A] A cross between Cream and nails scraping on a blackboard. No
kidding! We were atonal at best, with very dreary lyrics and mostly
minor-key songs. I tried to bring us back to a happy place, with several
up-tempo, bluesy-type songs and even suggested we have a live or taped
horn section. I left Pulse in 1969, right after we cut "Can Can Girl" on
the ATCO label and "Don't Let This Happen to You," which never saw
vinyl.
[Q] Tell me a little about the Key West Trio (KWT).
[A] The idea for KWT came to me in 1994 when I began to fool with
Cakewalk and sequencing. It physically materialized in 1995 as "Key West
Trio" as a side gig for me, Eddie, and Billy to play in small venues,
still keeping The Shags available for oldies dances. Actually, KWT's
first gig was a DUO with me and Eddie playing at Cornwall Pub in
Cheshire (Billy took ill that night). We then played as a trio with our
'80's Shags drummer Joe Zukowski "sitting in" on bigger gigs. Eventually
the Buffett/Beach Boys/Oldies format caught fire. Billy Pallman left
around 1997, was replaced by Joe's brother, Raymond, who left in 1998.
Today, it's just me, Eddie and Joe with a sequenced bass and a few other
exotic instruments tossed into the mix. There's a 4th trio member who
plays lead guitar and sings when we need a quartet - Joe Salvati, from
"Nothing But Trouble" in the Ansonia area. Joe Salvati, who manages
Banko's Music Store in Ansonia where we buy mostly all our stuff, also
sits in as the "3rd" trio member subbing for Eddie or when we can't fit
live drums in the venue. We plan on including Joe more often because he
adds great depth with his lead guitar work and great harmonies. KWT will
probably last until we can't sing any more or load equipment. The
Buffett/Beach Boys format is timeless and there's a huge demand for it.
We play mostly private gigs - country clubs, corporate events, private
parties - and a few night spots, town concerts and big-venue shows. It's
a blast and the people are great. We get wonderful responses and have
made thousands of friends over the past seven years . . . http://www.keywesttrio.com
[Q] How often does the Key West Trio perform?
[A] We have been averaging more than 75 gigs a year recently, and
could probably triple book every weekend throughout the spring and
summer months. We had one weekend off this year so far, and we're
already confirmed for about 25 gigs in 2001. It's been very busy and
it's getting busier. We're waiting on a wedding in West Virginia, one of
our agents is working on a Disney trip, and there may be a cruise or two
next year - we'll see. We're on Block Island exclusively at Trader Vic's
at Champlin's Resort for the weekends of the 4th of July, V-J Day, Labor
Day, and July 28-29 for next year and the foreseeable future. We have a
dozen "hold-down" repeat dates and we're looking to work the Hamptons
next year. KWT is more popular and works more than The Shags ever did.
We're also working on a CD with some originals and covers due out in
spring of 2001. We picked up Margaritaville Tequila as a sponsor and
they provide us with items we auction off to benefit the Alzheimer's
Association.
[Q] "Don't Press Your Luck" and "Hey Little Girl" have been featured
on many latter day comps. When did you first become aware that, many
years after they were recorded, there is still a following for the
Shags' songs?
[A] When Eric Lindgren from Arf Arf Records called me and asked if we
could put together an anthology of Shags' songs. I am still amazed, but
we haven't been able to put one together with ALL the Shags songs on it.
In 1994-1995, the group I had together as The Shags went into Horizon
Studios in West Haven with Vic Steffens on the board and laid down a
dozen songs, covers of our own stuff as well as others, and that still
sits in the can. I think that, even though the old versions are the ones
remembered, the new versions were terrific. KWT has recorded covers of
some Buffett and Beach Boys tunes and we're looking to release them
soon, maybe for next year. I've only seen one comp with us on it,
though.
[Q] What is the status of GearFab's Shags CD release? It was
announced quite a while ago, but still hasn't been released. What is
causing the delay?
[A] You know more about it than I do! I'm not involved in it at all.
Someone must have obtained the rights to the masters and is putting it
out. That happens a lot in this business. I have masters of most of our
songs but I haven't been able to come to reasonable terms with the
publishers, so I sit on them. One day, the tapes will be degraded and
worthless, but I can't put them out until somebody agrees to a deal.
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